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		<title>The problem with adversarial debate</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been thinking about socialism quite a lot recently, and it&#8217;s occurred to me that, while there are many fine lefty-liberal minds at school, the time we spend philosophising is largely wasted. Why? Because it&#8217;s spent in Debating Society, tearing down, rather than building, arguments. The adversarial debating format is a great way to test who&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about socialism quite a lot recently, and it&#8217;s occurred to me that, while there are many fine lefty-liberal minds at school, the time we spend philosophising is largely wasted. Why? Because it&#8217;s spent in Debating Society, tearing down, rather than building, arguments.</p>
<p>The adversarial debating format is a great way to test who&#8217;s the better orator. Done well, it&#8217;s great theatre. But it isn&#8217;t efficient at producing original thought and ideas. Yes, some occasionally come out (by original I here mean points we as a group haven&#8217;t thought of yet, but the argument applies to true originality too), but I daresay they&#8217;d come out more often if we didn&#8217;t devote so much time to the lower-level points required of debating. Pragmatic points can be important in , say, parliamentary debate; but as a society which aspires to higher-level, philosophical thinking, why don&#8217;t we cut to the chase?</p>
<p>Another issue is that, while the large majority of us share essentially the same views, the format forces us to take opposite sides. Devil&#8217;s advocacy itself isn&#8217;t a problem, but combined with the requirement for stubborn tenacity and refusal to concede anything, it leads to dull, unoriginal ping-pong on points that would long ago have been conceded in an informal discussion.</p>
<p>Adversarial debate is bad enough in philosophical discussion, but in court it endangers justice. All too often, especially in jury trials, rather than those before harder-to-influence judges or magistrates, quality of advocacy takes importance which should be given solely to evidence. Top barristers don&#8217;t win more cases just because they know the law better &#8211; their success is due at least in part to the fact that they are better orators. I&#8217;m undecided on the French investigative magistrate system, but in this respect it has advantages &#8211; a judge is less swayed by oratory than a jury, and anyway more importance is given to the evidence than its presentation.</p>
<p>Adversarial debate has its purporses — in Parliament it is useful for bringing up the pragmatic points that need to be considered in lawmaking, and I have intentionally gone too far in my condemnation of the adversarial format in order to provoke discussion (I almost said debate). So comment, and tell me why I&#8217;m wrong, but do so constructively.</p>
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